SPEAKER_01 0:00

And you were who inspired me to have the courage to go out and do full drive solo travel myself as well. So I was traveling to Instagram which was kind of cool, creative jobs were out there. I want to watch a girl go and do this track and experience this. And so yeah, I was kind of like, YOLO, I guess I'm that girl and my friends are kind of.

SPEAKER_00 0:18

So at what point in YouTube did you notice that you were stepping into like more of a male-dominated niche given that it was full drive style of content? Did you notice that or? Hey guys, welcome back to the solo experience podcast. I'm your host Sarah, and today's episode is a very exciting one. So before I bought my first wall drive, before I started solo traveling, I was sitting at home watching who I would argue is the OG female solo traveler. Fast forward a couple of years, and she's literally sitting in front of me right now. So Tiffany, thank you. That's really nice. Okay, thanks so much for jumping on and chatting with me.

SPEAKER_01 0:53

I don't know if I would say I was like the OG like solo. I always maybe like girls' trips or something. Like I would always try and bring a friend along to experience it. Yes. Encourage girls to get into it more. Like most of my friends never went camping or forward driving before. So I lived, like I'd done a lot and I got to relive the excitement with them experiencing it for the first time.

SPEAKER_00 1:16

Yes, I agree. And I think from my lens, like I think when I started watching YouTube, you I guess you were the only female solo travel that I'd come across in the full drive space specifically. Everyone seemed to be more van life, so I'm sure there was other women out there doing it. But yeah, I don't know. As far as my lens was concerned, you were you were it and you were who inspired me to have the courage to go out and do full drive solo travel myself as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

Actually, when you messaged me to do this, I saw our messages from above and you were like, I think I want to do this. And I was like, Yeah, girl, go out and do it.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

I'm like everybody's like number one supporter, like, yes, go do that, do that. And I think that's the best thing about the four drive space. Like it has both sides. Like, yes, it's got the negative, but it's also got this positive community vibe to which I love. So it's really cool being able to connect with people like you and just share that journey, even if we haven't done a trip together, although I think we have to do that one day, definitely. So I guess going back to the start, where did your solo travel journey begin? Like, obviously, the car that you had and like where you traveled to, what did that look like for your journey?

SPEAKER_01 2:16

Yeah, so my travel started like before Instagram or like I guess YouTube was kind of out there, but I never really dabbled into it. Um, so I was traveling before Instagram was kind of cool. Creative jobs were out there. I went and traveled like more overseas stuff, like um yeah, like Europe, backpack through there for a couple of months. Um yeah, I've been all over the place. And then um kind of my career changed to being a um super yacht host. Yeah, that's cool. I know people don't like realize how far back this goes.

SPEAKER_00 2:49

Yeah, but I what year are we talking about here?

SPEAKER_01 2:51

I think that was like 2018. Oh wow, okay, so like a like a long while back. Yeah, just just pre pre-COVID. Yeah. Um, and I was like in a remote community up there and on this super yacht and like posting about those type of things, and um then did like a bit of travel in Australia and um COVID kind of hit, and in Queensland it was kind of like a party up here. We didn't have a lot of really strict restrictions. Um, my family has property in Rockhampton, so I was going up there and posting a lot of um like farm horse riding, little hikes and stuff that were up there. Um, down here I started to post more on my my Instagram of waterfalls and stuff that people could in the radius that we were given when there was lockdowns, yes, where they could go and see those waterfalls and just get out in nature. And I felt that nature in that time was really healing for me. Yes. And I had a lot of people go, but that's out of our radius. And I was like, no, like here, you can go experience these little local gems that are safe to go see. And um, yeah, started then posting that on YouTube as long form content. There you go. Um, so yeah, I started off with waterfall hikes.

SPEAKER_00 4:04

I'm so forward, and it's so hard to look back on my. I can't remember exactly when I started following you on YouTube. I just remember, yeah, you used to show the most incredible locations, and yeah, it kind of just made it achievable. You're like, oh, I can go out and do those things.

SPEAKER_01 4:16

Yeah, yeah, and so that was like my whole mindset of achievable things. Okay. So then I didn't have a four-wheel drive at the time, so I was like, How can I experience going to Gari? How can I experience going to Morton Island or doing these like more four-drive tracks? And um I reached out to um Gari Adventures, they're like a four-wheel drive backpackers thing. Yeah, um, they gave us a car. Me and my girlfriend had my swag at the time, and she had a little pitch-up tent. Jessica? Yeah, Jessica. Yeah, yeah. And we just did like a girls' trip over there. Didn't even think that the whole four-drive hire thing girls trip was even a niche at the time. I just wanted to do it because it was fun and like I was kind of in my um evolution of YOLO stage at that time. Yeah, and um, yeah, just sent it with Jess and it ended up that was like my first YouTube that kind of went crazy. And then the next one was Jess and I again, and I actually collabed. This is crazy, but Camplify only started in that year, and I had their first four-wheel drive that was on their Queensland app. That's cool. The little gymney. Yeah, and oh yeah, that was before the whole gymney craze kicked up. It was just before the peak of Gymney, and yeah, I didn't even think this was gonna be a thing or anything. I was like, yeah, cool, cute little four-wheel drive, let's go over there. So I collabed with Camplify. I was actually their first um creator to work with them. That's a flex, yeah, yeah. Um and yeah, just went over there, sent it, and that's still like to this day, that video is just performs really well. Yeah, I think it's got like half a million views or something. Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:59

Because how many YouTube videos did you have before those two over at Fraser?

SPEAKER_01 6:03

Not a lot. No, okay, no, it was more waterfall things, and then it just sent into forward drive things.

SPEAKER_00 6:10

Did that then motivate you to push more into the forward drive space of things? It did, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:15

Um, and not for the views or anything because I just wanted to have more access to it.

SPEAKER_00 6:21

Yeah, and I think once you get access to a forward drive, I found this as well. Like I'd always before I had a forward drive, I would still go out and do adventures and all the rest of it, but you get access to a 42, you're like, oh wow, there's even more out there that I can see. So that in itself can be quite addictive of a lifestyle. So yeah, I guess you've done Gari twice, and then did you just continue to hire four drives or work with these companies to do further travel? Like, when did you get your own setup?

SPEAKER_01 6:44

So at the after the the Gari one, I wanted I did a Morton Island one. I started working more um local um because I do social media management and I guess content creation for companies as well. So that work really started to pick up. Um so I was like, oh, I'm doing a lot with for driving and that I may as well get my own setup and um yeah, just be able to send it a lot more with the girls. And yeah, the first trip I did, um I ended up, it was like a New Year's trip. The girls and I had my FJ, I didn't have the rooftop at the time, but had a Patriot camper on the back of it, and we just sent it to like the west coast of Gari and sweet.

SPEAKER_00 7:31

Had a that was like my third or fourth trip over there. Yeah, so that's so good. Because I do remember a lot of your content being up north Queensland. I'm not even kidding, like I think I said to you before we started recording, I thought you'd done a lap. I don't know why I had that in my head. I think I just had watched a lot of your travel for so long, and just being, I guess, so diverse, maybe I just thought you were going other places, but you've obviously gone right up to the Cape of Queensland.

SPEAKER_01 7:54

Yeah, yeah. So that was like a work trip with um Overlander. I was I was doing their social media and um all that time. So yeah, they have a lot of international people that come over and they hire their four drives. And um, yeah, I was just making an itinerary kind of for them because they now have a base in Cairns, Perth, Gold Coast, and Darwin.

SPEAKER_00 8:16

Oh wow, so there's a few.

SPEAKER_01 8:17

So when I started with them, they just had one in the Gold Coast, so yeah, they've been able to expand because of the reach of my videos I did for them, but then also like yeah, their own marketing and stuff, which is crazy.

SPEAKER_00 8:29

Oh good, yeah, and then how did that evolve once you got your own setup? You've obviously been working with these companies to get these four drives for hire. So you guess you had a lot of like variation with what you were doing travel-wise and obviously work coming in. Did you find that that capacity for work and collaborations reduced when you got your own four drive, or did it increase?

SPEAKER_01 8:46

Honestly, it increased, yeah, but I I didn't want to sell my soul to the lifestyle, if that makes sense. Yeah, so I had a lot of brands reach out to me, and honestly, I feel like I had a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, and but their deal was they wanted to kid out my whole car. Yeah, and I really had to think about it, and I was like, okay, I would be selling my soul to create content for one brand. And when you look at people's cars, how many people have all just one brand over their car? Yeah, yeah. Type things. So I was like, that didn't really feel authentic to me. So that was an opportunity that I could have gone and traveled the lap of Australia, but doing that. But I also thought I've always once again coming back to that accessible thing, you don't have to do a lap of Australia to see Australia. You can literally fly somewhere, yeah, hire a four-woard drive, go do the drive or a motorhome or whatever. Like, perfect example. My friends and I wanted to go to Exmouth to see the whale sharks. Yeah. It was my 30th birthday, and or 31st, but we're calling it. It was supposed to be on my 30th, but things happened. Okay. Yeah. Um, so yeah, four of us girls got on a plane, went over to Western Australia, grabbed a motorhome from Campify, did a girls' road trip up to Exmouth, yes, saw whale sharks, saw orcas, saw seals, and I think we were up there for maybe like 10, it was a like a 10-day trip. Oh, good.

SPEAKER_00 10:22

That's why I thought you've traveled Australia because of like those.

SPEAKER_01 10:26

I always try and do like just smaller trips, and like if you think people come here for holidays, they might not have time to do a lap of Australia, like fly to Darwin, hire a four-wheel drive, fly to Adelaide, hire a finding a way that's achievable for anyone, regardless if they live here, if they're on a budget, if they don't have a whole year to take off to do a lap of Australia.

SPEAKER_00 10:45

Exactly. Yeah, okay, that makes a lot of sense. So, at what point in YouTube did you feel like or notice that you were stepping into like more of a like a male-dominated niche given that it was four-wheel drive style of content? Did you notice that or I did like I the Fraser one, yes.

SPEAKER_01 11:02

Um, but I didn't expect it to to be such a a huge mind-blown niche type thing. Like I didn't, yeah, I didn't really expect it to take off. I thought I was gonna get a lot of hate, but I got a lot of support. Oh, good. Which was good. Did you find it was more female or male audiences? Male audiences and they were like so keen to see like the girls go and experience these things. And I actually had a lot of feedback from the first um Gari trip YouTube was that we weren't trying to be forward drive enthusiasts. We weren't trying to show how you take on these forward drive tracks and you do this, and oh, aren't we cool? It was it was the pure joy and the nature side of it, which comes back to the whole waterfall, yeah. Starting off at waterfalls. Um, and yeah, we were in bikinis, but we're at the beach. We weren't like overly sexualizing these videos, it was just um we were there, and like when when I go to a waterfall, I'm in active wear, when I'm I'm not dressed appropriately for the time.

SPEAKER_00 12:08

And that's one thing I think I struggle with a little bit is yeah, there's that misconception people like, oh, you're always in a bikini, I'm like, yeah, because I'm always near the water, but yeah. If you see me go inland or you know, you dress appropriately for what you're doing, and unfortunately, at the end of the day, women are sexualized to a lot of degree, so it's like you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't, but yeah, capitalise on it or like yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 12:29

People are gonna judge you for what you no matter what you look like or what you do or whatever. So yeah, you just gotta do it because you love it and agreed. Yeah, yeah. Take a take up like a grain of salt. Like that's your opinion of me, that's okay. Yeah, but I like to do this, so you can either come on my journey and experience this through my lens, or like you don't have to follow at the end of the day. You don't have to watch my videos, like, yeah, agreed.

SPEAKER_00 12:54

So, were there a lot of other solo female travelers when you started, like YouTube, Instagram? Like, I guess who was your point of inspiration when you started?

SPEAKER_01 13:02

Yeah, um, there was like Danny Mon um and a couple of other girls, but they weren't traveling, they were working on their cars. Yeah, um, and they yeah, they were doing YouTube and they were doing really good in YouTube, but they weren't traveling. And I kind of found myself at a crossroads that there was a lot of couples, yeah, there was a lot of um like boys' trips and boys' shows. There was like a mixed gender show. Oh, yeah. Um, I can't remember what they were called. There was a chicken, she had like a red ponytail. Oh, and a guy with a beard. Never heard of it. I don't know. I feel like they were like OG old school. I feel like they were on like channel seven, like but one of those like Loward channels. Oh. No offense to them or anything else. Like that yeah, like gold rush channels type things. Oh, yeah, yeah. Whatever they were. Um, so yeah, there was them, and I found there was no one that was like me in the industry, and I was like, why I want I want to watch a girl go and do this track and experience this. And so yeah, I was just kind of like, YOLO, I guess I'm that girl. And my friends are coming along.

SPEAKER_00 14:14

And I think that's me as well. Like, even though I have a full drive, it's kitted out. I have no idea. Like, yeah, it's it's it's a means to an end. Like, yeah, I'm not on YouTube to show all of the ins and outs of like the mechanics of my car. I'm like, this is the function, it's gonna get us here. That's what that's what I'm there for. So it's really just about getting to those really cool locations and just showing that experience rather than just being heavily mechanical-minded, so to speak. You know the basics to get through it.

SPEAKER_01 14:39

Yeah, I know the safety basics, and like I've always I like YouTube, how do I change a tire on a four-drive? And I always make sure I have the safety gear and I know how to use it and stuff if that situation has come up. But it's just a big flex, but I've actually never gotten bogged in like any car. That's so good. So yeah, it's that skill. Yeah, yeah. But I feel like it's like paying attention. I never put myself in a situation where it's too far out of my comfort zone if I'm alone. Yeah, um, I have nearly gotten stuck, but that's because I got a bit too confident and didn't put my tire pressure down. I was like, I'll be fine. Um, but yeah, I always I've always kind of done a bit more research into what the track looks like visually. I'll try and get on Google and or Instagram and see what other people have done. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 15:27

Yeah, I think I'm getting a little bit like when I first started, same thing. Like, I haven't really gotten bogged much, like never to a point where I haven't been able to like, you know, just put the tires down and get out. Like, but I found that over time, I don't know if it's like confidence or just ignorance over time, like that comfortability has crept in. I'm like, oh, it'll be fine. Like I just send things without sometimes like if you're thinking tired times and you're like, oh, I'm in a bit of a rush.

SPEAKER_01 15:47

Like, I should be fine on this track. And then yeah, you hit the road with a bit too high of tie pressure, and you're like, damn it, I should have gone to 16 and oh, look, we've all been there.

SPEAKER_00 15:57

That's right, that's half the fun of it as well. Yeah, so as far as YouTube goes, I noticed you haven't put out a video in a little while. Like, where are you at with the YouTube? Like, are you done with it? Or so I have a little bit of a secret. We love that.

SPEAKER_01 16:10

I do have YouTube videos, and they're just sitting on my hard drive. Yeah, but I felt like the last 12 to 18 months, I've been in a little bit of like a creative slump. Yeah. Um, I feel like I I just lost my little bit of like self sparkle to things. I felt like I let companies um I'm a bit of a like a yes person, like a people, not a people pleaser, but I struggle sometimes to stand up for myself in situations. So um I agreed to things that were a bit more like a for like I was creating content for them more than I was creating for myself, and I gave them a lot of creative input into what I was putting out. Yeah. So I was kind of doing edits after edits after edits, and my laptop at the time wasn't great for processing like 4K videos and stuff. So like I just spent so much time on videos that sometimes weren't even for myself, but I yeah, I honestly I feel like I I burnt out.

SPEAKER_00 17:21

Yeah, okay. So it's almost like a a bit of a break just to sort of come back to like why you love it in a sense.

SPEAKER_01 17:26

Yeah, and taking that time off, like I I feel like I have almost like yeah, got my spark back. I wanted to. This is going back to your podcast from the other day of um like finance, like content content creator life. Yeah, was being a one woman show. I'm having to do like admin input of companies, like negotiating for myself, um, invoicing, yeah, following up those invoices if they don't pay me in 30 days. Um like you it just becomes like a lot, there's a lot of back-end things. Like, don't forget you're also the producer, you're the editor, the producer, the script writer, the voiceover, the talent. Long resume. It is, and when you're doing these trips, and like most of them are self-funded, like I'm allowing people access to my holidays pretty much. Yeah, so it can get a lot. You see like the glitz of glam of the YouTube and the edited side of it, but at the same time, like you have to think about the navigation of the trip, yeah, the negotiating of brands if if there's any on there, otherwise you're just doing it for like content yourself type thing. So yeah, I felt like I I definitely burnt out and I just needed to come back to a job where I didn't have to think about doing any of my own pays or anything like that. Um, at the same time, having to think about my future of like superannuation, tax, all that. Um, I just wanted a job where I didn't have to think about anything, just go in, do my job and get paid at the end of the day type thing. So, yes, coming back to your first question, I am coming back to YouTube. Um, and I feel like it might be in different ways to what it was. Yeah. Um, but yeah, there will be some videos coming out sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 19:16

That's exciting. Heading here first. And I think that's one of the reasons why obviously I share my life on YouTube, but I think YouTube has a limitation as to what I wanted to share. It's travel content, but I wanted to share a lot more behind the scenes. And initially I had Patreon, which look in the end, it wasn't quite the audience that I wanted to. It wasn't aligning with my values, and that's where I was like, a podcast to me feels more accessible. It's free, it's a free resource for people, but I just wanted to share almost like the ugly side of things, in a sense, like this the real version of like what actually happens and what it takes to get to a certain point. So if someone wants to get into business or solo travel or whatever it might be, it's like, well, what does that look like from a background point of view? And the finance one, like how I fund my travels, that's been quite a popular one for the reason that people are curious to see how it works. But from a realistic point of view, it's like, yeah, you have to think about your future. And unfortunately, YouTube and any kind of content space, it's so taxing from a mental point of view. You have to show up, you have to do it all. But then you're always having to think of new ideas. And if you are traveling, it's like you're moving to new locations. Yeah. I don't think financially for myself at the moment, there's not the level of return on investment that I would like there to be. But I once again, it's like you do it for the love of it. But I think it actually takes a lot of courage to notice that you're at that burnout point and be like, I need to look after myself. I need to take that little bit of a step back, but not to say it's the end of it, but just to give yourself that time. Like, yeah, all respect to that. I think a lot of people would just push through and go to complete burnout. But I think it shows in the content. I think if your heart's not in it and you're at that point, you can tell.

SPEAKER_01 20:50

Yeah, definitely. No, I I as I said, I always do it for the love of it. Yes. Um YouTube is something I've always found fun and like bringing my friends along and doing that. But when it stops becoming fun, that's when I kind of pulled back from it. Yeah. But I am dabbling into other avenues like UGC, and that's kind of bringing my spark back in other ways and giving me ideas. But um, I've actually just left the job that I need to be there for. So you might be a bit more time and um you might be seeing a lot more of this space.

SPEAKER_00 21:25

Yeah, because I noticed like a lot of people are also really curious about the UGC space as well. And I've said to people it's really just about putting your name out there and I guess saying yes to a few things if they align to you. But did you find the UGC space easier to step into and build up? Or I feel like I was naturally doing it already.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

Yeah, I just didn't know what to call it. I guess UGC, the term is so new. Yeah, yeah. Um, I feel like a lot of brands felt like they had to pay you to just post on your feed, but yeah, they didn't realise that they could just pay you and it's a little bit like less money if they don't have the budget. To pay you to post. Yeah. So that's now opened up avenues where I've been able to work with companies that don't align with traveling and stuff. But at the same time, I don't want to be stuck in that travel niche. Like I love fashion. I love like coming back to like the whole reason of girls' trips is like we don't always want to rough it. Like we're like, we want to make it a bit like fun. Like let's cook some really fancy things. Let's take a bottle of wine, have a cheese board. Like, yeah, we're not grabbing a bag of Doritos and having Forex type thing. You speak out to anybody that wants to have an experience like that. I mean, there are there are some times when that calls for some Doritos and some Forex's. Agreed.

SPEAKER_00 22:38

I agree. There's a time and a place for everything. But just because you're into a niche, the girls can't have anything else. I agree. And even though I solo travel I've actually started to really thrive in a space of being around people, and it's yeah, I mean, my content's still primarily solo, but when I get to bring a friend along, like it's the fun, like the most fun that I have making the content, editing it, and then re-watching it. I'm like, that's just memories I've got for life.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

So I definitely That's the thing, is like doing this is it's not about creating YouTube channel and and and oh I guess sometimes like it is built building a business for some people, but like most of us are just doing it for fun, for the memes, like having those experiences with friends. Like, how often do you get to go and do a an epic girls' trip with like some of your girlfriends? So yeah, it's about doing that for me.

SPEAKER_00 23:27

So you said that you're gonna go back into the YouTube space, but I don't know if everyone knows this, but you actually have a partner now, which is so exciting. What does that look like for YouTube? Are you gonna go down the route of like I guess couples travel?

SPEAKER_01 23:38

Yeah, Matt has come on some YouTube videos with me. Um I haven't released that footage yet, but at the end of the day, it is my YouTube channel. Yeah, that is my dream, it's not his dream. Um, but he is more than happy to support my dreams and vice versa. Um but yeah, I'm not I've never pressured anybody to speak on camera. Not everybody has the comment.

SPEAKER_00 24:01

It's so weird for people who are not in it, they're just like, oh, I can't know what to do, they're just C's up.

SPEAKER_01 24:05

Yeah, not everybody wants to speak on camera. I don't force them to, like it's their journey and their their holiday as well. Um, if I've had some hate comments of people going, oh, it's like a one-woman show, well, yeah, it is, it's my name. Yes, not as in like oh, it's my type thing.

SPEAKER_00 24:21

Well, yeah, it's it's um the evolution can be really hard sometimes, like trying to evolve from one thing to another. But as you said, like you're not gonna rename your entire brand. It's like he might and co.

SPEAKER_01 24:33

Yes. Um yeah, no, we have done couples trips and stuff. Um but at the end of the day, Matt works in the mind, so he's two weeks on, two weeks off. Um we have spoken about how that would work with travel things potentially in the future, and there's definitely opportunities where that could work. Um and but yeah, that's that's the future type thing. Um we'll see where that goes. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think it's gonna turn into a like a couple's yeah. I feel like that niche is that niche is like very cool. And that's not where I started either. Like coming into I didn't see anybody that was doing what I wanted to do when I was doing it. And um, having this time off as well, I've kind of really thought about my niche as well. Because when I started, there was no girls travelling and there was no girls' trips or anything, like there was girls working on their four drive, but um yeah, I've kind of now that niche is saturated, and that's amazing that there's so many women doing this. Like there was always like, yeah, the girls full driving, but there was no one really doing in the content space. Yeah, in the content space of that. Um but yeah, now there's a lot of women out there doing it, doing solo trips and full driving and like yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:52

Obviously, when I started solo traveling, it was only you, like that was you were the only solo traveler, so to speak, that I knew of since I started YouTube. Obviously, the time I started solo traveling to when I started YouTube, a few more people popped up. And I've definitely experienced that comparison, unfortunately. Now that the niche, there's a lot of girls in that niche.

SPEAKER_01 26:13

There's a lot of keyboard warriors out there. Um, like even going from um female travel to then including Matt into some things. Like Matt's one of the girls, what are you like? We've about to go to CMC in a couple of weeks, and like it's all girls, and this poor guy is stuck with like six of us. Yes. Um has to deal with all of our stuff. But um like, yeah, I've even experienced some comments about like, oh, you've changed, and oh, you've um like bringing the boy along and like you're all about him now, and it's like, no, well, I only grant you guys access to a certain part of my life, and sometimes he's featured in it, sometimes he's not. Yeah, but I'm not gonna hide no, why thank you?

SPEAKER_00 26:55

Yeah, like we all literally grow, and like you don't want to stay the same, like you want to change and that's your life is gonna evolve.

SPEAKER_01 27:00

No, but that's like the whole evolution of my if you're an OG Instagram follower of me, I used to post a lot of modeling stuff. I used to post um, I used to be a professional dancer, I used to post a lot of dancing stuff, I used to post um like yeah, just even even before forward driving, it was all waterfalls and hypes and all that. So yeah, it's kind of you are on uh an evolution type of you're evolving with me, and yeah, um I guess you can't travel all the time. So now my life is evolving into something else. Yes, yeah, it's trying to find that niche again.

SPEAKER_00 27:35

You mentioned about obviously not turning into the couple's content because obviously there's a lot of people doing it. I've always been a big believer of like there's room for everybody. Like when I watch content, if I latch onto a style of content, I want to absorb as much of that content as I can find. So I think, yeah, even like when people are just like, oh, you're just copying this person doing solo travel, I'm like, well, yeah, because I'm interested in the same thing. Like we'd probably be besties. Like it's just, and I think even from a couple point of view, like, yes, there's a lot of couples out there traveling, but there's so many people that want to watch that content. So there's just there's room for everybody. Don't be an asshole online.

SPEAKER_01 28:07

Yeah, coming into that though, like at the end of the day, someone's gonna follow you because of you, and not because of like because you look like someone else, they're following you because like they like your personality, the way you speak.

SPEAKER_00 28:21

Yeah, I agree. The way you look, like you gotta cash in on it. Yeah, at the end of the day, it's a business. Like, unfortunately, like we do it because we love it, but there is a business aspect to it, so sometimes you just have to tap into it. Sometimes you gotta get that cafe, like exactly. No, everyone will do the same. But I guess if you're closing questions, so hypothetically, if like for anyone who wants to get into this space, whether it be solo travel, travel with their friends, UGC, like what advice would you give to someone wanting to get into this creative space? Is there anything that you would use as your own take-homes of like what you wouldn't do again, what you would encourage people to do, like any advice?

SPEAKER_01 28:57

Um I would say you have to do it for the love of it, yeah, for the joy of it. Yeah, you can't come into this going, yeah, I'm gonna get all these sponsors on board and they're gonna pay me thousands. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna live this lifestyle. Like you have got to hustle. Yeah, yeah. Um, yeah, you've but at the end of the day, if you love editing videos, if you love negotiating, if you love the lifestyle of it as well, like yeah, definitely step into it, but don't think it's all going to just blow up and it's gonna be success straight away. Like it took me a couple of videos to kind of get into it.

SPEAKER_00 29:35

Yeah, absolutely. Like, I've been doing this for three years and I'm still not at that peak. But I'm like, I'm still doing it because I love it. And I think, yeah, you have to do it for reasons other than the monetary value because otherwise you'll be heavily disappointed. There are better ways to make money. But that pretty much wraps up most of the questions that I wanted to cover with you. Thank you so much for sharing your journey. Likewise, I know. So, for context, guys, this is the first time I've actually met Tiffany in person. We've just really been internet friends up until now. So, yeah, I feel like, like I said, trip is coming. I feel like that's gotta be on the cards. But even for your YouTube, the fact that we now know that there are more, like there's more videos coming out. So obviously, if we want to tune in for that, where can we find you? Socials, YouTube, all of the rest.

SPEAKER_01 30:17

Yeah. Instagram, TikTok, YouTube.

SPEAKER_00 30:20

Amazing. I think that's all I have. And it's just all under Tiffany Lawrence, isn't it? Yeah, it's just my name. Not Tiffany Lawrence and Co.

unknown 30:26

No, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 30:28

Oh, awesome. Well, thank you so much. Thanks so much for listening, guys. And I will see you guys all in the next month. Thanks so much for joining me. Let's go have a drink. Yes, absolutely.